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by Ashraf Laidi
Posted: Oct 31, 2008 20:40
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US Dollar Index 14-Year Chart

Daily chart of 14 years of cyclical developments in finance & politics
 
cougr
Australia
Posts: 101
15 years ago
Jul 2, 2009 14:35
Spec , I don't have data going back 20 years but a cursory glance at 10 years worth of data tends to support the argument ,and although it would be difficult to give a a comprehensive answer as to the precise factors affecting these relationships (ie bn us dollar commodities euro and aussie ) one could hypothesise that their are psychological factors impacting on these so that an increase of demand for commodities in general does impact on euro and aussie demand to the detriment of the dollar and vice versa.
speculator
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Jul 2, 2009 13:56
cougr your relationship hypothesis does not hold in the longer term and in all periods unless u can show me this relationship has held wholly in the last 20 years which it has not.
cougr
Australia
Posts: 101
15 years ago
Jul 2, 2009 13:53
My post immediately below was referring to the "commodities argument " and currency valuations previously alluded to by both spec and Ashraf .
cougr
Australia
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Jul 2, 2009 13:50
And again this concept is clearly illustrated by the charts . As with the comparison of the dollar -emerging markets charts one can clearly see the relationships which are evident between the dollar ,the commodities index, the euro and the aussie .
speculator
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Jul 2, 2009 13:38
in the early - mid 90s oil was not a good hedge for the dollar and the correlation was not negative throughout. so what makes you so confident that this relationship will not return?

speculator
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Jul 2, 2009 13:31
thanks ashraf,

so in expecting the dollar to resume its secular bear adjustment, you are predicting higher oil prices, gold and inflation as a dollar hedge?

but research shows that oil and dollar relationship over the last 20 years has been statistically insignificant and there are other factors that explain the relationship. so whilst i agree this relationship has held recently it may not always do so if we are entering a new era of trading. research has found that oil price movements were mainly explained by demand/supply dynamics.

Ashraf Laidi
London, UK
Posts: 0
15 years ago
Jul 2, 2009 13:24
SPEC, each time these curencies rise vs USD largely due to commodities argument, forex traders will always take a SELL-DOLLAR approach.

Ashraf
speculator
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Jul 2, 2009 13:09
ok thanks cougr, a good point anout usdx not being able to maintain 200dma.

extrapolating trends especially longer ones will not always give you good insight as past performance is not a good indicator especially in this increasingly complex world we live in. for example, how may banks forecasted the dollar to collapse last year as US was in recession?

the highs of 2000 will not be surpassed so soon as one could argue that it will take many years to achieve if we are in a secular bull market.

i appreciate all the debt monetisation and deficits this is a dollar negative i dont disagree.

but i am still waiting for a brief answer as to WHY the demand for euro,pound and yen (components of USDx) will increase leading to a fall in USDX (everything else equal, ideally) if emerging economies do well and the rest of the world does not. is this a commodity priced linked concept?
cougr
Australia
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Jul 2, 2009 12:48
Spec ,regarding your question as to the legitimacy of the secular nature of the dollar,in all seriousness one could write a book on the topic ,but given my lack of time and inclination I'll attempt a brief response. Since around 2000 when prices were at around 120 the dollar has slowly but surely drifted lower and lower .The Highs of 2000 have not been surpassed since. Also ,any rally by the dollar since then has not been able to meaningfully remain above it's 200 day moving average.Clearly then the dollar has been in a serious bearmarket for many years and this is suggestive of very powerful dynamics acting against the dollar which are fundamentally driven and not merely based on sentiment. Consequently one may argue that if the dollar was to reverse its clearly defined downwards path fundamental factors would have to be changing and favouring the dollar . Yet all the evidence seems to be painting a picture where this not the case.With the fed creating dollars out of nowhere and causing an incomprehensible amount of supply relative to demand ,with budget deficits in the trillions and likely to worsen every year,with china massively stockpiling commodities and increasing their gold reserves by huge amounts ,with emerging markets markets entering a new era of growth etc etc it is difficult to argue that the dollar is about to embark on a bullish path for a meaningful amount of time. However given the already mentioned proposition that anything is possible I will change my mind if newer evidence appears on the horizon to augment your arguments. I wouldn't be holding my breath though.
speculator
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Jul 2, 2009 12:05
nobody is answering my question. i havent read your book yet ashraf!