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by Ashraf Laidi
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cat0nip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 1632
12 years ago
Jun 9, 2012 20:13
Well Qingyu....the ppi continues to fall...that means China economy feels the downturn in US and Europe as exports decrease. That is China goes back to where it started cheap low quality products,
very low margin, sinking wages and workforce....but cpi doesn't drop much. I think that could be stagflation.
Qingyu
manchester, UK
Posts: 1763
12 years ago
Jun 9, 2012 14:55
not exactly, big boys use stagflation push china add stimulus. that is slow bleeding, just like japan lost 2 decades but better. (paper tiger still a tiger, sort of)

just heard a rumour, they will lower rate several times, and bottom should appear at end of this yr. and next yr march will have real improvement.

when and who are stepping down, dont expect them print 4 tln again.
cat0nip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 1632
12 years ago
Jun 9, 2012 9:42
hi Qingyu
I see signs of stagflation in recent China data. What's your opinion?
Qingyu
manchester, UK
Posts: 1763
12 years ago
Jun 8, 2012 9:36
chinese cpi for this month is 3.1-3.2%
Ashraf Laidi
London, UK
Posts: 0
12 years ago
Jun 7, 2012 19:35
PIIGS Can't Stand on BRICs

China is the last of the BRIC nations to be forced to ease as it cut its lending/deposit rates by 25-bps for the first time since 2008. One week after Brazil slashed rates to record lows and one month after India cut its repo interest rate for the first time in three years, China finally caves in.

Chinese one-year savings rates are now deeper in the red below inflation as todays PBOC rate cut in the one-year deposit rate to 3.25%, places it further below the inflation rate of 3.4% to a real deposit rate of -0.11%, further eroding depositors savings. Such could be a step to encourage savers to spend and even to invest in the stock market-as has been known to be among the agenda of policy makers during the 2007-8 crises.


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http://www.cityindex.co.uk/market-analysis/ashraf-laidi-blog.aspx


Ashraf
Qingyu
manchester, UK
Posts: 1763
12 years ago
Jun 7, 2012 15:02
hahaha, Dr. Ben honest man! :D
cat0nip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 1632
12 years ago
Jun 7, 2012 12:23
but it si something ... points to a reversal PBOC policies.
Qingyu
manchester, UK
Posts: 1763
12 years ago
Jun 7, 2012 12:18
compare to 60% usurious rates, 25bps is nothing.
Qingyu
manchester, UK
Posts: 1763
12 years ago
Jun 7, 2012 6:38
only agree about the fact.
Qingyu
manchester, UK
Posts: 1763
12 years ago
Jun 7, 2012 6:37
High debt means high time for Beijing to open its wallet
By Simon Rabinovitch

After nearly two decades of high tide for the Chinese economy, growth is slowing and the waters are receding. As Warren Buffett once warned, it may not be a pretty sight a surprising number of companies have been swimming naked.

The Chinese government and Chinese households have been paragons of prudence in managing their finances, saving lots and borrowing little.

The same cannot be said of their corporate brethren. The indebtedness of Chinese companies is at an all-time high.

Private-sector borrowing as a percentage of gross domestic product was 131 per cent in China at the end of last year, according to Standard & Poors. While that is much lower than the roughly 200 per cent levels in the US and Britain, it is unusually high for a developing country, where the norm is closer to 50 per cent.

More worrying is the pace at which debt has increased an important predictor of financial trouble. The credit-to-GDP ratio in Chinas private sector has increased about a quarter over three years, making for a high credit risk in S&Ps view.

The government has certainly not been blind to this risk. From newfangled central bank liquidity operations to old-fashioned communist central planning, officials have used every tool in their box over the past year to tighten Chinas monetary screws.

They have, in one respect, succeeded. Formal bank lending to Chinese companies has slowed dramatically. Yet the past year has also exemplified a popular Chinese saying: shang you zhengce, xia you duice policies come from above; countermeasures from below.

The countermeasures to official policy have provided short-term relief to Chinese companies keeping the financing flowing but at a clear cost.

Turned away by banks, many smaller businesses have gone to underground lenders. China International CapitalCorp (CICC), a top domestic investment bank, estimates that private lending rose nearly 40 per cent in the first half of 2011 from a year earlier. Such banks are not saviours; they charge usurious rates, as much as 60 per cent on an annualised basis.

Bigger companies have escaped the scourge of the underground banks, but they too have devised a range of dangerous countermeasures to ease their credit strains. A recent warning from the Chinese banking regulator about the steel sector shed light on these techniques. Without naming names, it cautioned banks that some steel trading companies had pledged the same collateral multiple times or obtained fraudulent credit guarantees.

Another countermeasure has been selling to cash-strapped customers on credit. It is by going down this route that Zoomlion, a construction machinery company, has earned the dubious distinction of being the most shorted stock in Hong Kong. Vendor financing the technical term for accepting IOUs from customers accounted for 35 per cent of its sales last year.

These various ways of flouting the governments controls on corporate borrowing help explain why Chinese economic growth had held up so well until recently. Credit had been much more generous than implied by official bank-lending figures. But this dynamic now appears to be changing. The government has, little by little, choked off informal and illicit credit flows, while bank lending has remained limited.

As loans have dried up, Chinese companies have started to meet their debt obligations not by refinancing, but by selling assets. In other words, deleveraging has finally come to China Inc.

Zhao Yang, an analyst with CICC, says there are plenty of signs that deleveraging is under way: a decline in corporate demand for debt financing; a rise in equity financing; a falling proportion of long-term loans among overall loans; and an active destocking of inventories. Given the high debt levels of Chinese companies, some deleveraging is a good thing. But it also poses its own dangers, to which European countries grinding through austerity measures can well attest.

Mr Zhao warns that a negative feedback loop between corporate deleveraging and slowing growth could be taking hold in China. After growing at an annual pace of 9.1 per cent in the first quarter, the economy is on track to slow sharply this quarter, say data. Letting Chinese group load on the debt again is not the answer.

Thankfully, Beijing has other options at hand. First and foremost, with total government debt equal to just 38 per cent of GDP, it has plenty of scope to spend more to prop up aggregate demand.

As Chinese corporations learn to pinch their pennies, it is time for the government to open its wallet.

Simon Rabinovitch is the Financial Timess Beijing Correspondent